I’ve no idea who Dan is, since he’s not using his full name. His comments are strong, you might even say rude. Well, a little shock value is good for blogging numbers anyway, so it’s not that I mind exactly.
First, Dan proposed that my theology of Torah and non-Jews should lead to a ridiculous scenario in which Gentiles at my congregation are eating ham while the Jews eat only . . . latkes? You can see the full text of Dan’s comment below.
Dan seems to miss the entire point of my blog. Yet I wonder, since I am using a lot of space on the blog to deal with issues on non-Jews in MJ if others might not be similarly confused. Let me clarify: I see Messianic Judaism as a Jewish movement, which means a movement for people born Jewish. At the same time I see non-Jews coming into Messianic Judaism as something expected and which should not be a threat to the Jewish identity of the movement. The fact that non-Jews in MJ have been a threat to the Jewish identity of the movement is an ill I am trying to address.
Here’s the irony: people like Dan, who apparently believe Torah was not given exclusively to Israel, are a large part of the reason MJ is so non-Jewish and confused.
Non-Jews in Messianic Judaism should be here either to support this Jewish movement or join it via conversion. Otherwise, there are plenty of great churches for non-Jews to attend.
So, no, there are not two tables at our congregation, one with ham and the other with latkes (does Dan think that Jews only eat latkes? What a strange choice to represent Jewish food!). We are a Jewish congregation and we all observe Torah communally though some do not keep Jewish identity markers in their homes. We do not have a bookstore and we do not sell on Shabbat.
Then, Dan suggested that because I am in the process of conversion I must be confused or feel that my non-Jewish status is inferior. Nothing of the sort is true. I plan to write more about conversion on here someday. Meanwhile, I commend the article by Rabbi Dr. Rich Nichol at ourrabbis.org.
Let me close with one last thought for Dan: if you’re arguments are good, you don’t have to be rude to make them. But weak arguments will not persuade even if shouted rudely.
DAN’S FIRST COMMENT:
Here is the farce of Leheman’s position.
Take a MJ congregation. What do you do at oneg? You have one table only for Gentiles with ham sandviches, and another tabel with latkas only for Jews? Should your Judaica store be open On Shabbat Only for Gentiles, Jews not allowed? Logisticaslly it is all falling apart. Most congregation are comprised from 80% Gentiles and 20% Jews, then why do you read from the Torah every Shabbat if you say the Torah is not for them?
DAN’S SECOND COMMENT
What is the “conversion process” you are going through will do for you? will it make you Jewish? Does circumcision makes someone Jewish? If yes, then go tell it to the Millions of Muslems who undergo circumcision at age 13.
Are you another “Jew wannabe?” You are waffling on the issue and all you convey is confusion, but then again being a disciple of the Hashivenu bunch will do it to you.